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Adrían Aldana ([personal profile] adrii) wrote in [community profile] veilbreak2026-02-03 08:53 am
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This has already been approved by Verin and leadership. This is not a debate on if we should. It is a debate on how.

We will be going forward with additional experimentation to further stabilise the Neuroclast. To do this, we will be taking volunteers among those who have had an implant that is not TIF. The process will include baseline and progressive scans, temporary monitored linking to the Veil and exponentially increasing exposure to experimental Neuroclast packets while simultaneously stimulating the dorsolateral and ventrolateral PAG when disconnecting from it. The goal is to get below a 4% risk of side effects when disrupting or destroying a node.

This procedure is not without risk, and the risks include: chronic pain (headaches/migraines, shooting or radiating pain stemming from the neck down), paralysis/spastic limbs, death.

Volunteers would need to understand and accept the risks as well as undergo a thorough psychological examination. We would need 3-5 volunteers, and where to source those volunteers is the current issue at hand. My personal preference would be to take volunteers from onboard Mnemosyne. Others have suggested we take volunteers from the unVeiled cities. There is also an option for a mixture from both.

Neither sourcing is without risk. We already operate at a resource deficit, and taking agents further increases that deficit. If that volunteer is in a leadership role, we risk years of knowledge and experience. If we take from the cities, it's a security risk to bring them onboard. Propaganda will spread further of us being like the Architects in that we are choosing not to experiment from within.

We're leaving it up you all to decide how we source volunteers. Again, this will be happening, so spare me the ethics debate of experimenting on humans. If there was another way, chances are we've already tried it.

NIKO.
What's going on with you and Domingo? The flirting is obnoxious. Just fuck already.
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[personal profile] chemveil 2026-02-03 02:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you fucking ser We have literally no say? Do you realize how stupid and fucked up people are on t Linking back to the Veil is

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I'd just like to make my objection to this public.
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[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone with a lighter touch should've brought this up.
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[personal profile] rjacobson 2026-02-03 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you--
'Understand the risks'
Death??
You absolute fucking


'A thorough psychological examination'?
Edited 2026-02-03 14:28 (UTC)
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[personal profile] foundlostfound 2026-02-03 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)

If it works. We wouldn’t be connected to the Veil anymore? Couldn’t be, in the future?
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[personal profile] foundlostfound 2026-02-03 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
And the monitored reVeiling. That’s minutes or hours. Not days or years. You could bring people back from that.
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[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
To reiterate what I've already said elsewhere: if this is going to happen regardless, then we should be drawing volunteers from the unVeiled cities.

Those aboard the Mnemosyne have already been thoroughly vetted and trained. More importantly, they are not expendable. No human being is, of course. But given the depth of their specialization and the roles they fill, exposing them to this level of risk would be both unethical and operationally inefficient. Think of how much time has been invested in their selection and training.

Expanding recruitment to unVeiled citizens does introduce a security risk. That is understood. But Recruitment and Dreamscape were built to assess precisely these risks — to identify potential double agents and moles before they become true liabilities. We are not infallible, but this is our work. I would ask that you trust us to do it.
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[personal profile] chemveil 2026-02-03 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you done any additional tests not on human beings yet? What other alternatives have you considered? Do you have any numbers around the likelihood of side effects? I want to see everything.
Edited 2026-02-03 14:40 (UTC)
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[personal profile] foundlostfound 2026-02-03 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay. I can’t speak for anyone else. But I’d volunteer.
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[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
How you disseminate information like this matters, Adrían. You can't simply preface it with, "We've unilaterally decided to embark on human experimentation. Please don't waste your breath with moral objections; I'm not interested."
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[personal profile] chemveil 2026-02-03 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
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Roko.

[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Added at my insistence, and I would genuinely value your input and insight. For the record, however, I despise this idea.
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[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The first step to persuading people is ensuring they believe their thoughts and concerns are being taken seriously.
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[personal profile] reidings 2026-02-03 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I understand experimentation is necessary but I don’t agree that the test subjects should be from within our ranks. We’ve been trained and we work well together, I think it would be a mistake to disrupt that. And I think asking anyone from aboard the ship or in an unVeiled city to risk death is […] a tough pill to swallow.
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[personal profile] rjacobson 2026-02-03 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And if someone is deemed unfit to volunteer?
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[personal profile] oneirophrenic 2026-02-03 02:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly my point. You needed to persuade them that this is our only viable option first. You skipped a vital step.

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